yazdim ortaya bir tomar ciddiyetsiz turk web siteleri cikti. sen veya baskalari bunlara inaniyor mu? hic bir ciddi arastirmaci bu web sitlerinin "siracinin sahidi serbetci" tarzina inanmaz. kaynak olarak kabul etmeyi birak okumaya bile kalkmaz. ilk cumleden basliyor sacma sapanliklarina dair ip uclari. sen de butun tezini bu sacmaliga baz etmis olmayi kabul ediyor musun? butun bu hikaye Bruce Fein adindan amerikan turk koalisyonu adli garip bir orgutun skolari olarak kendini tanitan birinin bir turk gazetemi dergimi artik neyse takvim e verdigi demecte cikmis. bu demeci bulamadim mam bu adamn en son makalesini burya aktariyorum. orda 2 milyonluk br rakam vermemis. ancak stanford dan UCLA dan surdan burdan bir suru bilinen akedemisyen adini verereke aleni tahrifat yaopmis, adi gecen akademisyenlerden hic biri ermeni kirimini yok sayip onun yerine 2 milyon osmanli olduruldu filan diyen kisler degil, en fazla yaptiklari genosid deyimi uzerine tartismaktir, icleriden en turkofil olarak tanimlanacak bernard lewis bile bu tur sacma bir idda da bulunmaz, acik adamin bu konuda yazdiklari turkceye de cevrilmis, kitaplari var. butun kaynak maynak bu adamin yazdiklari. vaktitle washington times gazetesine (dikkat washington post gibi ciddi gazete ile karsitirmayin, WT berbat ve pacoz bir gazetedir rubin de sik sik uney kurdistan a camur atmak icin orda yazar, bir de california dan sarlatan bir kisi kendini profesor olarak tanitarak ordan bu gazeteye kurd dusmani irkci yazilar yazar, bu gazete boyle bir gazetedir izlemenizde yarar var. tezleriniz burdan cikip onumuze geliyor. haberiniz olsun. buyrun Bruce Fein adli kisinin en son yazdigi yazinin asli. adam hakkinda bir fikir vermek acisindan ilginc olabilir, ayrica WT de yayinladigi 2007 arihli makalesine da bakin. bu 2 milyon palavrasi bu adamdan firlamis gorunuyor. (burya asilan ilk yazida bu adamin ismi de geciyordu) Armenian Issue: Moving Forward By Bruce Fein*, Journal of Turkish Weekly, Jan. 27, 2009 During the Senate confirmation hearings of the newly confirmed Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Senator Robert Menendez (D. N.J.) lobbied the Obama administration to characterize the tragic events of World War I as a “universally recognized“ Armenian “genocide“. That official verdict was said necessary to “move forward.“ The Secretary of State demurred on the characterization question, but concurred with the idea of moving beyond the contentious status quo. Moving forward, however, requires recognition of facts, not fiction: that the Armenian “genocide“ is disputed by reputable scholars and historians; that politicians are ill-equipped to deliver “genocide“ verdicts on matters light years beyond their ken; that Ottoman Muslims also suffered horribly during WWI at the hands of Armenians fighting as armed belligerents; and, that voicing sympathy for Armenian suffering while ignoring the suffering of those whom Armenians slaughtered and terrorized would reflect the Christian bigotry of yesteryear. The Armenian “genocide“ is hotly disputed within the universe of genuine Middle East scholars versed in the Ottoman Empire, the circumstances of World War I, and otherwise. An inexhaustive list of doubters would include: famed Middle East expert Bernard Lewis of Princeton University, the late Stanford Shaw of U.C.L.A., Guenter Lewy of the University of Massachusetts, Justin McCarthy of the University of Louisville, Norman Itzkowitz of Princeton University, Brian G. Williams of the University of Massachusetts, David Fromkin of Boston University, Avigdor Levy of Brandeis University, Michael M. Gunter of Tennessee Tech, Pierre Oberling of Hunter College, the late Roderic Davison of George Washington University, Michael Radu of Foreign Policy Research Institute, and military historian Edward J. Erickson. Outside of the United States even more scholars have endorsed a contra-genocide analysis of the history of the Ottoman Armenians, among them Gilles Veinstein of the College de France, Stefano Trinchese of the University of Chieti, Augusto Sinagra of the University of Romae-Sapienza, Norman Stone of Bilkent University, and the historian Andrew Mango of the University of London. In addition to these and other scholars, the United Nations, Great Britain, and Sweden have refused to endorse the “genocide“ label. Politicians, including Members of Congress or the President, are ill-suited to decide the issue pivoting on century-old happenings that sharply divide experts. They have neither the time nor inclination to undertake intellectual labors commensurate with the importance of a “genocide“ charge. And they do not sit like members of a jury to listen to both sides present their respective cases. Senator Menendez exemplifies why politicians should shy from deciding ancient historical controversies. He rendered judgment without examining all the credible evidence and analyses. Moving forward on the “genocide“ question requires placing the decision with an international commission of impartial experts with access to all relevant archives. The most important archives that remain closed belong to Armenian organizations. Turkey's Prime Minister has agreed to the international commission solution to the Armenian “genocide“ issue. Moving forward further requires reciprocal apologies by both Turks and Armenians for the mutual devastation wrought upon each other. What is customarily ignored are World War I's harrowing Ottoman Muslim deaths effectuated by numerous bloody Armenian revolts; raids and slaughters by Armenian extremist revolutionaries; treasonous defections in the hundreds of thousands to fight for invading Russian and French armies; and, austere wartime conditions that occasioned starvation, disease, epidemics, and deaths from acute shortages of medical personnel and medicine. According to research reports, nearly 524,000 Ottoman Muslims perished from the actions of Armenian revolutionaries during the war. Armenians have never acknowledged any culpability for their side's atrocities of World War I. Instead, they apotheosize to this day those Armenians who murdered scores of Turkish diplomats in the 1970's and 1980's. William Shakespeare's “The Merchant of Venice“ descried the bigoted hierarchy of human suffering that would be reflected by expressing moral outrage over historical Armenian suffering or killings while remaining silent over the counterpart suffering and deaths of Ottoman Muslims or Turks. To paraphrase from an immortalized passage: “Hath not a Turk eyes? Hath not a Turk hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick a Turk, does he not bleed? If you tickle a Turk, does he not laugh? If you poison a Turk, does he not die?“ In sum, to honor her pledge to move forward on the Armenian “genocide“ question, Secretary Clinton should promote the ideas of an international commission of experts and reciprocal apologies. It is also the best formula for Turkish-Armenian reconciliation. *Bruce Fein is a resident scholar with the Turkish Coalition of America.

1-terime bakalim; ermeniler 2 milyon ermeni oldurdu. osmanli kim? osmanli tabbasi olan herkes. yani ermenisi kurdi turku o donemde osmanli yonetimindeki herkes. bu durumda ermeniler (onlarda osmanli) kimi oldurmus oluyor? 2-"ermeniler 2 milyon osmanli oldurdu" fromulasyonu (tezi demiyorum tez denilecek ciddiyeti yok) bastan totoloji kokuyor. o donemde orda olen herkesi OSMANLI diye tanimlamak mumkun. burda mulaklik elirmis oluyor. ciddi tezlerin (ister tarih ister fizik ister matematik olsun) temel ozelligi NET olmalaridir. kullanilan her terimin net bir karsilgi olmasi gerekir. bu formulasyondan yok boyle bir sey 3-diyelim ki osmanli ile kast musluman nufus (bu dogru bir terim olmasa da boyle kabul edelim tartismanin hatiri icin). bu durumda ermeniler 2 milyon turk kurd ve bir parca da cecen azeri oldurmus oluyor. bunun yarisi kurd olsun, 1 milyon kurd ermeni tarafindan katledilmis olsun. simdi matekatige gecelim a) IT emri ile kac ermeni turk yonetimince planlanarak olduruldu? b) Abdulhmait doneminde kas ermeni planlanarak olduruldu? bunlari 1800 lerin sonlarindan baslayip 1915 e kadar suren olaylar olarak dusunursek, oldurulen 2 milyon tur e kurd de bu esanada oldurulmus olmali, bir miktari da 1915 sonasi rus ordusunun yaninda kurdistana giren ermenilerce yapildi diyelim. ortaya toplam olu sayisi 3.5 milyon olarak cikiyor. bu kadar nufusu 1800 lerin basinda hesaplanabilecek bolge nufusundan cikartmak mumkun degil. ustelik henuz suryani-asuri abartmasi 500 000 sayisini da bu tabloya ilave etmedim. demek ki ilk bakista bu tezdeki sayiya kusku duymak icin kaynaktan once sinirlayici bazi maddi olgular bulmak mumkun. once burdan baslayip insan yasami uzerine abartma yapmamayi bellemeyi saglama almak lazim. bu tartismanin ilk ayagi ikinci ayagi da senin yazdiklarin uzerine olacak