Sayin Hanif ve Hek'e (suntte ve Ayaan Hirsi Ali)

Elif Ciwan · 14.12.2008 · 1 görüntülenme

Ayaan Hirsi Ali fled fanaticism in Africa—and Holland. So what does she make of her new conservative friends in D.C.?

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By Boris Kachka Published Feb 4, 2007

(Photo: Victor Bergen-Henegouwen/Hollandse Hoogte)
To her admirers, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a maverick, bravely defying the Netherlands' political correctness to address Europe's growing cultural rifts. To detractors, she's a charismatic bomb-thrower with as little regard for her adopted nation's safety as for her own. Both sides would have to admit that the former Somali-Dutch politician is a master of self-reinvention. After a rough childhood (circumcision, daily beatings) in Kenya, Ethiopia, and Saudi Arabia, she escaped to Holland from a forced marriage, eventually joined the Dutch Parliament as a Muslim criticizing her own culture, and made a provocative film with Theo van Gogh that got him killed and sent her into hiding. When a rival threatened to revoke her citizenship, the resulting furor toppled the governing coalition. But Ali just moved on, resigning and moving to Washington, D.C., where she now works for the American Enterprise Institute. It's all retold in her eloquent new memoir, Infidel. Stopping by Soho House recently, she spoke with New York about life and politics in her latest adopted land.

You've been here for six months. How do you like the U.S.?
That is the question they all ask! I love it. The most comforting thing is the anonymity. I'm not allowed to talk about security—to tell you who in this room is security and who is not—but the pressure cooker of Holland is over. I am now just one individual in the melting pot.

You're at a conservative think tank—perhaps an odd place for a harsh critic of religion in political life.
I consider myself nonpartisan, but I'm a liberal—not in the American sense, because Americans seem to refer to communists as liberals. What we see in Europe, because of the welfare state, is government pretending to provide all sorts of services they shouldn't be providing.

But what do you make of Christian conservatives in your ranks?
No one in the American Enterprise imposes their beliefs. We clash, and I think that's what the West is all about.

But you're with them on the whole “clash of civilizations“ thing?
When I was in Holland, the idea was, all cultures are equal and all are to be preserved. My idea was, no, all humans are equal but not all cultures are equal. In the culture of my parents, we never seemed to be able to succeed in such basic issues as getting food, interacting and living in peace with each other, or adapting to our environment, and the West, they've succeeded in all those. I'd been taught Western culture's only bad. Maybe that's good for your self-esteem, but it wasn't taking us anywhere.

You've dismissed accusations that you're lashing out because of childhood traumas. So why write a memoir graphically detailing the abuse you and your siblings suffered?
It became important to say, “Okay, you guys keep accusing me of using my past. Let me tell you my story, and my story shows that I do not blame the death of my sister on Islam. I do not blame female genital mutilation on Islam.“ My whole awakening was triggered by the eleventh of September, and it did not affect only me, it affected a lot of people.

Do you regret certain things you said about Muhammad—like that he was a pervert and a tyrant?
I don't regret that. I'm still convinced that for Muslims to integrate fully into modern society, we cannot avoid discussing the prophet. We didn't only deal with communism militarily, but we said it is a bad idea. The works of Karl Marx were discussed.

Maybe academia would have been a better—and less dangerous—venue.
Politics is not a good thing for me. But I wanted to bring out the issue of Muslim treatment of women in Holland, and I could only accomplish that in Parliament. If I had been a professor, it would just have disappeared in a cabinet.

What are you working on next?
A book called Shortcuts to Enlightenment. It's [about] waking up the prophet Muhammad in the New York Public Library and having him have a conversation with Karl Popper, Friedrich Hayek, and John Stuart Mill. It's a philosophical novel.

If you had citizenship in time for '08, whom would you vote for?
Any candidate who succeeds in uniting. There's peacetime and there's wartime, and you don't need polarization on wartime issues. You need polarization on all other issues. Now there is an enemy from outside wanting to destroy all of us. A true leader is one who says, “I am capable of getting unity on this, on a party level and on a transatlantic level.“

A uniter not a divider? Doesn't sound like Bush.
Bush is not running.

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Elif Ciwan · 17 yıl önce

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030602145.html]Bu yazilarin devamini washingtonpost sitesinden okuyabilirsiniz[/url] True Unbeliever 'Infidel' Author Ayaan Hirsi Ali Brings Her Incendiary Views on Islam to Washington By Neely Tucker Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, March 7, 2007; Page C01 People come along every now and then, idiosyncratic, opinionated, talented, flawed, impossible. You call them iconoclasts, troublemakers, provocateurs, opportunists, polemicists. Camille Paglia, of the feminist and anti-feminist perspective, she's one of these. Michael Moore with his satirical film rants, Michael Eric Dyson in his race debates, Germaine Greer and the brand of feminism she called "the Push," and the late journalistic table-pounder Oriana Fallaci, too. Something between artist, scholar, journalist and radical. Hirsi Ali's arrival in Washington comes after condemnation of her book by Muslims and a stint in the Dutch parliament that ended with her resignation. (Lois Raimondo -- The Washington Post) WHO'S BLOGGING? Read what bloggers are saying about this article. Sense Offense Sense Offense Welkom op de Weblog van Shadned Full List of Blogs (46 links) » Most Blogged About Articles On washingtonpost.com | On the web SAVE & SHARE ARTICLE What's This? Digg Google del.icio.us Yahoo! Reddit Facebook So now, ladies and gentlemen, live from Somalia and the Netherlands! Give it up for new-to-Washington Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Muslim heretic, self-proclaimed "Infidel," whose memoir by that name is at No. 7 on the New York Times bestseller list! It's a popping good story, fascinating, with lots of forward lean to the narrative. She's got guts, brains, looks, talent. She's called the prophet Muhammad a pervert. She says, "Islam is a culture that has been outlived." She has lost her faith, ditched two husbands and been disowned by her family. She was elected to the Dutch parliament, but resigned in a scandal that brought down the ruling party. She scripted an 11-minute film about the Koran and domestic abuse of women that resulted in the throat-slitting assassination of its director, Theo van Gogh, by a Muslim fanatic. The killer stabbed a note into the dying man's chest. It was addressed to her. It promised death. If you're having lunch with her -- say, at Zaytinya downtown -- a bodyguard employed by the Dutch government will call you a few minutes beforehand, saying, "I have a person to deliver to you." She's adored by many on either side of the political seesaw: Western feminists, defenders of free speech and the American Enterprise Institute, the neoconservative Washington think tank that now employs her. But many Muslims regard her as a self-promoting traitor. "She's just another Muslim basher on the lecture circuit," says Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American Islamic Relations, a Washington-based activist organization. She's tall, black, angular, charming, sparkling brown eyes.

Elif Ciwan · 17 yıl önce

Selamlar hek ve hanife; kisa bir onsoz olarak hemen belirteyim: kadin ve kadinin kadin olmasindan kaynaklanan sorunlarini herkes tartisamaz, ve tatisma kulturu olmayan, gelistirici ogretici arastirici yonu ve niyeti olmayanlar LUTFEN AMA LUTFEN yazilarima cevap verme zahmetine katilmasinlar, ciddiye alinacaklari soz konusu olamaz. Simdi gelelim Aayan Hirsi Ali ye, ben ailemle birlikte bu insanla Lunteren'de (Lunteren ilticacilar merkezi idi, hollandanin Gelderland bolgesinen kucuk bir koy) kaldigimiz ilticacilar merkezinde tanisma sansina sahip oldum. Ayan Hirsi Ali kimdir diye merak edenler olursa lutfen Google.com da Aayan Hirsi Ali diye tiklasinlar hayatini kim oldugunu ogrenme zahmetine katlansinlar. Bu insan hayatini islamin yobazligina, cagdisiligina, barbarligina ve anti demokratligini teshire vermis bir insandi. Hollanda da oyle bir yukselme grafigi gosterdiki, sozum ona liberal demokrat olan VVD adli parti ve hatta Hollanda devleti ve hukumetleri dahi bu yukselme grafigi karsinda saskina donduler ve onu koruyamayip Amerika ya goc etmek zorunda biraktilar. Neden? cuni Aayan Hirsi Ali, kohne bagnaz, tutucu butun kesim istisnasiz butun kesim tarafindan hedef tahtasina oturtuldu. Bu insan oyle bir mucadele sahasini ve konusunu secmistiki, hic bir insanin (burda bu sitede gurur duyarak okudugum hek arkadasin gostermeye calistigi tavri respect le karsiliyorum, ve bu cesurca tavrini bir kadin olarak minnet ve sukranla hep anacagim, zordur ama butun zorluklar karsi gosterilmesi gereken tavri koymak gerekir ve hek bunu yapiyor, kutlrim) cesaret edip agzina dahi alamayacagi bir alani secmisti. islam ve sunnet konusunu hollanda siyaset sahnesine ilk tasiyanlardan biridir. Butun olum tehditleri ortdadan kaldirilma tehditlerine ragmen bu insan yilmadi usanmadi ve hep dogru bildigine inandigi mucadeleyi surdurdu ve halende surduruyor. Bende sayin hanife gibi ilk olarak Kadinlarin sunnet edildigini ilk bu kadindan duydum. ozamanlar hem onun hemde benim kit-kanat hollandacamizla anlasmaya calisyorduk. Bana bir gun dedi sizin kurdistanda da kadinlar sunnet ediliyormu diye? tuhaftir bende aynen hanifenin verdigi cevabi vermistim. yani kadinlarin degil de erkeklerin sunnet edilebilecegini soylemistim ve o nazik mutevazi yuzunden okunan guzelim tebesumu ile "neen neen dan weet jij niet wat islam is" (bozuk bir hollandaca ile) yani hayir hayir ozaman siz islamin ne oldugunu bilmiyorsunuz manasina gelen cevap vermisti. Son donemlerde gundeme gelen guneydeki kadin sunneti ile ilgili haberleri okuyunca ozaman anladim sayin Aayan Hirsi Ali'nin ne demek istedigini ve kurdistanda da bu insanligin en igrenc en barbar ve en utanmaz kadina vahsetini duymus ve icimden butun insanliga lanet etmistim. simid bu sitiye gelisimden beri sahit oldugum igrenerek okudugum ve bizzat muhatabi olmak zorunda oldugum ici bos cekirdek kabugunu doldurmayacak sozum ona orgutlenmek, parti kurmak onu bunu bilmem hangi teskilatin bilmem ne kiligina girmis unsurlari olarak distalandigi horlandig en igrenc hakaretlere ugratildigi mevzu itibari ile soylemek gerekirse, oncelikli tartisilmasi gereken konularin OZGUR BIREY OLARAK dusunce belirtmek, yanlis buldugumuz karsi cikilmasi gereken olgulari belirtmek bizi okuyan insanlara mesajlar vermek disinda bizim burda baska bir islevimiz olabilirmi? cevabim KOCA BIR HAYIR dir! Cesareti olanlar, yurekli kulhanbeyligi havarileri, "efendim bizim once bir orgut kurmamiz lazim, biz bu orgutu kurduktan sonra ve kurd ulusunu kurtulusa kavusturduktan sonra, bu tur tali sorunlari zaten kendiliginden hal etmis olacagiz" gibi hamasi ici bos toplumun insan olgusuna hic bir cevap olmayan, oyalayici koreltici bir islevden baska bir rolu olabilirmi? Cevabim yin koca bir HAYIR! Internet interaktif ortamda kurdlerinde Aayan Hirsi Ali'lere ihtiyaci vardir. Hic bir orgut parti ve kurum distalanmadan, bireylerin ozgur dusuncelerini toplumun butun kesimlerine tasimasi bazinda , bu tur ortamlarin baska hic bir rolu dusunulemez, baska anlamlar yukleyenler ya cok ART NIYETLI ve lafazanlardir, yada gercekten onlarin baskalarini itham ettikleri gibi karanlik ve kotu insanlardir. Bu baglamda sayin Hek'in bireyi gelistiren, gelistirirken de diger butun bireyler gelistirici mesajlar veren interneti kullanma mod'udu destekliyorum. Sanirim kendisinin butun yazilarini ve mantigini eksik degerlendirmemden kaynaklanan bir takim soylemlerim olmustur kendisine, ama son yazisini okuyunca, gostermis oldugu cabanin, sayin Aayan Hirsi Ali,nin bikmadan usanmadan gostermis oldugu cabalarla benzelikler tasidigini gordum, ve desteklenmesi gerektigi konusunda ikna oldum. zamanim ve kosullarim el verdigi oranda, bende butur gelistirici, ici bos olmayan, cabalari destekleme ve kendimde birseyler katma tavrina girecegimi hem sayin Hek'in kendisine hemde burdaki butun katilimcilara bildirmek istiyorum. neseli saglikli gunler dilerim.. Elif Ciwan

HeK · 17 yıl önce

ben bu kadindan zerre kadar hoslanamadim (allah var guzel kadin ama o kafasindaki yalan dolan ve sarlatanlik butun guzelligini yok ediyor). soyledigi yalanlar arsi alemi asmis. Holanda dan kacip gayet guzel gizlenebilecegi US gitmesi orda da manipulatif yetenekleri ile ve flamboyant karekteri ile kendine uygun is bulmasi zor olmamis. ilgicn bir vakia olarak incelenebilir. FGM ile ve hele hele guney kurdistan daki olan bitenle bu kadini baglantilamaya gerek var mi? bence yok. neseli gunler HeK